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The Whiners Thread
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| Everything is hunky dory |
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| The preacher didn't shake my hand |
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| I almost drowned during my baptism |
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| They will let anyone sing specials... |
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| The preacher is preaching to me |
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| Music is always rock-n-roll and loud |
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| No one ever calls me when I'm out |
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| It's too cold in there |
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| All the mixed perfume smells drive me crazy |
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| Don't click here |
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Total Votes : 443
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(last vote on : 1/6/2009 11:03:54 AM)
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/14/2008 7:37:45 PM
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GroupW
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LOL - edited my prior post. See above.
Another edit: If I read the statistics on this poll correctly, 34% of all Christians either can't follow directions or have serious disobedience issues.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/14/2008 7:43:38 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Bwahahahahahahaha!
ha
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Walker311, Group is picking on me!
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/14/2008 7:46:04 PM
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GroupW
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Am not.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/14/2008 8:25:11 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Are, too! And I'm telling!
Fritzzzz!
(We're gonna get kicked off here!)
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/14/2008 9:42:17 PM
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GroupW
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
(We're gonna get kicked off here!)
Probably. I'll concede. I do like that Monte Python skit, though.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/14/2008 10:07:03 PM
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ezri
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I
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of
those
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serious
disobedience
issues.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/14/2008 10:10:40 PM
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GroupW
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6 kids!!!!!!!!!!
I'm overwhelmed by 1 and he's an awfully good kid.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/15/2008 12:11:33 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Group:
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Why is HARD for Chrisitans to say...I am Sorry?
I'm sorry!
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Oh, Ezri, my help! Look at that face! What a cutie!
< Message edited by Covaan_Meshuga -- 8/15/2008 12:22:15 AM >
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"Ladies and gentlemen, there are things that you will only be able to learn by the weakest among us, and when you snuff them out, you are the one that loses." ~~Gianna Jesson, 1977 LA, CA, saline abortion survivor
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/15/2008 1:56:43 AM
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I just found this thread, and only read a few comments, so if my comments don't go along with the general discussion, I'm sorry. But I wanted to chime in to give my whines. I voted "everything is hunky dory" and "it's too cold in there." The reason for my conflicting votes is that I don't like being cold, and a lot of times it's colder than I want it to be in church, but for the most part, everything is hunky dory.
There is one other thing that bugs me, and it's of a more serious nature. How come, in at least the churches I'm used to, it is rare to find a handicapped person or a mentally ? Why can't we seem to accommodate special needs? Doesn't that kind of cut out a large group of people to whom we should, as Christians, be ministering? Why are we not ministering to them? I know that there are churches, especially larger churches, who are, but I have always attended smaller churches, and have rarely seen any kind of ministry to people with special needs.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/15/2008 8:04:51 AM
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JimboFletch
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We have a whole special needs section. They are all dressed in matching robes (I think the robes are to protect their regular clothes from drool). They are generally well behaved but have a tendency to make a happy racket whenever our instruments try to play a hymn or special music. They are usually referred to as our "Choir."
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/15/2008 10:04:52 AM
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GroupW
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ORIGINAL: Annie64
There is one other thing that bugs me, and it's of a more serious nature. How come, in at least the churches I'm used to, it is rare to find a handicapped person or a mentally ? Why can't we seem to accommodate special needs?
I'm totally serious when I say this - the last church we belonged to didn't want to work with parents of special needs children. To paraphrase what was actually said to the children's director, "It's too much trouble, and we don't want to fund it."
Seriously.
That's an exception - most churches have better sense than that, but unfortunately there is a certain set within Christendom that has their blinders on with respect to this issue.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/15/2008 11:12:54 AM
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Hi all:
I voted "hunky dory" because that is just what my church is. I have been in many from very large to very small. I've been in those where no one knew you existed if you didn't sing, preach, or have some other office and those where every body knew every body and their dog by name.
One thing I have discovered is that no matter how "perfect" the church may seem, there is no such thing. Every church has people in it andpeople have problems no matter who they are. The ONLY perfect church is the Church in HEAVEN.
The church that I now attend with my family is a great place. The people are genuine for the most part. They love each other and they love the Lord. Our pastor is an excellent preacher and Bible expositor. I can honestly say that there have not been many services where I personally have not been moved with conviction under his preaching. The Spirit of God is genuinely present in this place, not like some would think, but present none the less.
I have been, as I said, in many other churches (all of them the same denomination) in many different places. What bugs me is when Christians seem reluctant to help those who are truly in need especially when they can help with needs. There are hurting people all around both in the church and outside of the church, but we tend to "pick and chose" who we will help and who we won't putting requirements on the help that even Jesus would not approve of. I understand using discretion in our use of money etc. but when a man needs food, clothing, or shelter and you have it available to help - HELP him whether he is a church member or not.
Another thing is when people, even "preachers", say one thing and do another and then act as though they have done nothing wrong when biblically confronted about it. This hurts me more than anything, especially when it is the PREACHER (not my pastor now, but another one) who did it.
Don't misunderstand me. I understand pastoral authority and that we are to respect the preacher and give him honor. I understand that preachers are only human like all of the rest of us. But for them to stand in the pulpit and preach that it is wrong to lie or gossip or whatever, and then turn around and do just the thing they said was wrong, to me is disheartening at the least. Worse yet, is when they are confronted biblically and in humility according to Matthew 18:15-17 and they act as though they have done nothing wrong or get angry because they have been confronted.
Mind you, I am not talking about some off the wall thing like "he preaches too long" or "drives too fancy a car" or "lives in to ritzy of a neighborhood" or something like that. I am speaking of things that Gods word says are wrong ( in this case lying).
I am sorry, I just believe that all of the Bible applies to All of the people of the church not just the people in the pew. If a man is wrong, he should admit it and make it right no matter who he is or what position he holds in the church. A pastor is no different from anyone else in the church in this regard. He has the authority of God as pastor, but that authority does not allow him to over step the bounds of Scripture. Some pastors obviously believe that it does and that really bugs me.
By the way, I am an ordained minister myself. I dare not lay claim to perfection except as I find it in Christ. I am by no means perfect and no one knows it better than me. BTW this situation I have described happened to me. The pastor mentioned WAS my pastor a man whom I respected deeply and still respect because of the office he holds as an ordained minister although I believe what he did was wrong. He has never said he was in any way wrong or apologized for what happened between us. I just don't understand this and it really hurt me deeply mostly because of who the man was - My Pastor.
I realize also, that I am judging this man too harshly perhaps. There have been times when I have done the very same thing myself. I am really no better than he is in that regard. I suppose I should just let it go.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/15/2008 1:51:10 PM
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bzirk
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ORIGINAL: Walker311
What is the number one CHRISTIAN whine?
Hypocrisy? Insincerety? Gossipy? Disengenuous? Just a few choices...
Oh, man, nothing has changed. This is still so applicable to us:
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Luke 18
10"Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11"The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector [or like a Pharisee].
12'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.'
13"But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!'
(edition mine)
It's a wonderful thing to be convicted of being a judge of the judges. I ask for that kind of humbling daily, because much as I hate to admit it at times, I need my backside humbled.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/15/2008 3:19:04 PM
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2Preacher
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Bzirk:
I agree with your summation of the situation. Where do we get off being so "high and mighty" with each other anyway? Aren't we all just SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE.
When you think about that statement, what does it mean?
"All" - means EVERYONE OF US Romans 3:10-11
"SINNERS"- the Enemies of God. Rebels by Nature and by Choice. Romans 3:23; Romans 5:12
"Saved" - Born again, redeemed, regenerated, adopted into the family of God. "Sons of God" John 1:12; Eph. 2:1; Romans 5:8.
"by GRACE"- Here's the kicker. NONE OF US DESERVE IT. Grace is the UNMERITED, UNDESERVED, UNEARNED FAVOR OF GOD TOWARD SINNERS. Ephesians 2:8-10.
The fact is that none of us is any different from anyone else in our need of salvation in God's sight. NONE OF US DESERVE TO BE CALLED A CHILD OF GOD. We are ALLOWED TO BE GOD'S CHILDREN because of Jesus and his substitutionary death on our behalf. It is all because of HIM not us.
All of us would be a lot more humble if we truly realized what it means to be a child of Grace. Looking at it that way, it is a lot harder to complain about others or to whine.
Peace.
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/15/2008 4:20:35 PM
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bzirk
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One of my favorite passages is the end of Luke 7, "The Parable of Two Debtors." Whew!
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/19/2008 4:08:18 PM
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pstrdebi
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Speakin' of music...I have the need to whine!!
We generally sing/play contemporary worship songs, which I don't mind at all, BUT....sometimes, or actually MOST OF THE TIME, it's at the wrong tempo. Songs that are supposed to be played with a faster, up-beat tempo are played Slllllooooowww, any very......meeeellllllooooooowwww, or songs that need other vocalists and instruments to fill-in are only played with a single guitar and vocalist. (i.e. songs like "Everlasting God", and "Your Grace Is Enough"). I wish they played the songs in the tempo that it was the song was written in. 
Oh... I'll stand in agreement with that whine, and add that some pastors need to turn off their mic's during worship! They drown out EVERYONE else!
  
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RE: The 1-Stop Whiners Thread - 8/19/2008 5:22:54 PM
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ladyichigo
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some pastors need to turn off their mic's during worship! They drown out EVERYONE else!
This reminds me of another whine I have!
Okay, most likely not many (more like none) of you have never attended a worship service lead by a Japanese Pastor...let alone attended a Japanese speaking church. If you ever have the rare chance of visiting one, I almost guarantee that the the Pastor will be leading the congregation in the singing....VERY LOUDLY at the podium and they ALWAYS have to sway one of their hands/fists side to side (passionately) as if they are conducting the songs (particularly the hymnals) being sung. Why?? WHY must they do that?? Every Japanese speaking service I have attended, the pastor will do that. I find it rather amusing....but at the same time something to whine about because it's actually distracting.
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