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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/3/2010 9:35:18 AM
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kernsfamily,
I get jazzed reading what God is doing in your church. May He continue to grace it.
Approximately what percent of sevices does your Senior Pastor preach to a congregation in a given year? Does his absense in front of a congregation ever lead to the congregation losing site of his role as senior pastor?
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/3/2010 2:13:28 PM
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I knew after reading the OP that there were going to be people flying off the handle about how WRONG a multi-site is.
Why is it that when a church does something different than the way you are used to or different than how your church is ran people freak out?
Most people on here are so closed minded. If you're not singing Amazing Grace in a mono tone to Sister Bertha's organ in a small church ...you are doing it wrong. Geeze.....
Please feel free to provide any quotation from this thread that is evidence of someone "flying off the handle" or "freaking out".
In fact, only one person in the entire thread used the word "wrong" before you used it, and what they said was simply that there are "right" and "wrong" ways to do a satellite Church (which there certainly are).
I consider your accusations completely unwarranted -- not to mention unkind.
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/3/2010 6:01:15 PM
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The phrases "terrible trend" and "doesn't make sense to me" usually dosen't mean people agree with them. Stop being so literal...
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/3/2010 6:52:55 PM
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Personal disapproval, reasonably worded, is hardly 'flying off the handle about how WRONG it is'.
Is everyone who disagrees with an idea 'freaking out'? Or perhaps you were just waiting for the reaction you were expecting.
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/4/2010 10:57:54 AM
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Okay..so you weren't having convulsions, panic attacks, or needing medication due to mulit site campuses.
But the fact is...it's not what your church does...it's not what you are used to...so therefore....you "disapprove". Just annoys me...
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/4/2010 3:48:35 PM
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No, as I clearly stated, I have concerns about unused gifts in many Church situations, and I feel that a satellite Church model (one that 'beams' sermons) is likely to make for a greater degree of unused gifts of teaching and leadership.
I don't disapprove entirely, and the concerns I do have are certainly not around the issue of what I'm used to or not used to. (Because, obviously, I am completely 'used to' a Church model that I believe already leads to unused gifts.)
Further, multi-site models are indeed a part of how "my" Church does things... because all of you are part of the same Church I am part of. There is not Church that is not "my" Church.
I think you are being annoyed by what you imagine people think, rather than what they actually think, and what we actually type. I think you are jumping to conclusions.
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/5/2010 1:50:06 AM
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Approximately what percent of sevices does your Senior Pastor preach to a congregation in a given year? Does his absense in front of a congregation ever lead to the congregation losing site of his role as senior pastor?
the "team preaching" thing at our church only started last summer, when our pastor was diagnosed with, and was being treated for cancer...and he left for an extended sabbatical...
there are 2 services each sunday at the "main" location....and one at the "satellite" location. Which means 52 sundays at one, and 104 at the other of "services" to preach....and our pastor probably does 60% of those at the "main location", and about 10-15% of those at the "satellite"....
so, he's still quite "visible" and the "variety" of hearing different people give "the message", I think, is great. We've got our Senior Pastor, Teaching Pastor, Associate Pastor all preaching at different intervals...all being "developed" into "preaching the word....and, occasionally, even our Minister of Missions & Evangelism or Minister to Men or some other minister will deliver the "sermon", as well....along with a "guest" from time to time....
if anything, while no one has ever lost sight of who our "senior pastor" is, i think it's all made us realize that, even after 21 years of one person being our pastor....that one day...some day....there WILL be someone else as "senior pastor"....and whoever that is is going to have mighty big shoes to fill....which, with the "satellite church", 'team preaching' and "team" of pastors....when it does happen, that person will be "ready to go"....and serve...or, as many other have, be equipped to be "called" to lead some other church elsewhere.
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/5/2010 9:39:08 AM
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Bolt..there aren't any gifts being unused. The satellite church has it's own team of everything! From worship team to children's ministry leaders, to site pastors, to young adult groups. The senior Pastor is the only thing they share. Plenty of gifts to go around :-)
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/5/2010 5:29:24 PM
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there aren't any gifts being unused.
I find that an absurd assertion, on the face of it.
But I understand that you are involving many people in many ministries, and that the satellite nature of your set-up is possibly not making for any more unused gifts than would be in an 'ordinary' Church gathering in our culture. (I just think that there are tonnes of unused gifts in almost all Church gatherings that our culture would consider 'ordinary'.)
But what intrigues me is this: If a Church gathering has a capable, gifted and called leadership in-and-of-itself, if it has more than enough people capable and willing to preach and teach -- what then is the motivation for sharing a 'senior pastor' with another group? What benefit is found that makes people choose the model?
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/5/2010 6:23:07 PM
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Interesting topic, let me just throw this in. A muti site church with it's own leadership and a central 'senior" pastor is really no different than how some denominations run things. I have been to some of these and they do have their own identity, own leadership, own space and even at times own sermon series. the Sr pastor seems to act in more of a role of Overseer or Presbyter.
I think it's hard for some of us to understand that a senior or Lead pastor isn't doing everything in the church, isn't at every gathering or service or doesn't preach every Sunday.
Bolt what is your definition of Senior Pastor.
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/5/2010 6:33:22 PM
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My former church has two campuses, but they don't video link anything. (Well, I recall one time they did - I think it was for an ordination or commissioning of some sort, and it was only that portion of the service.)
In this church's case, there is a campus pastor at each campus, who is there on a regular basis. There is also a senior pastor over the entire thing. One church board, one church budget and set of books. There were altogether about 4 or 5 "speaking pastors" if you want to call them that. They'd do a series, each having their sermon in the series and presenting it at one campus one week, the other campus the next week. It worked well, I thought.
Why did they go that route? Because this way, the new church in the other community hit the ground running from Day One with fully functioning ministries - music, pastor(s), Sunday school, youth group, etc. - instead of having to slowly build from the ground up and possibly missing the opportunity to reach out to many in the community because the church is so small and almost invisible. Also, admittedly or not, people generally don't want to leave a church that's thriving to start a church plant. They don't want to strain the ties with their friends in the parent church. The two congregations got together occasionally for all-church functions. The annual Christmas production (and the choir, actually) was one, and done at the 2nd campus because it had the better facility for putting on productions.
That's basically the experience I've had with a multi-campus church. In this case, it was only 2 campuses about 15 minutes from each other, and no tele-preaching involved. 
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/5/2010 7:03:46 PM
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Bolt what is your definition of Senior Pastor.
In Churches I am familiar with, the 'senior pastor' preaches most weeks, and co-ordinates those that he decides to allow to preach other weeks. He leads the staff and oversees what they are doing in their ministries, forming the efforts of the staff into a sort of united effort. He has personal pastoral relationships usually with the staff, their families, a few volunteers or others. Often he deals with at least some personal crises among the attenders, and usually performs weddings and funerals. These are the things that the term 'senior pastor' usually means in my experience.
My personal definition of a 'senior pastor' is that there is no such thing.
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/6/2010 7:47:21 AM
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what then is the motivation for sharing a 'senior pastor' with another group?
to "guide" and "develop" even further the "gifts" that the pastor and staff at the other location has.....to be "Present and Ready" to share their experience and knowledge as the other church grows from 'nothing' into a congregation of it's own...
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My personal definition of a 'senior pastor' is that there is no such thing.
When a church's staff has an Associate Pastor, a Teaching Pastor, an Assistant Pastor and a Pastor of a "second location", there is a "Senior Pastor" that oversees them...leads them....and develops them even further (so as to possibly, one day, be a Pastor on their own)...
Our previous Teaching Pastor now leads a congregation in Augusta, GA
Our Minister to Adult II (the group of Sunday school classes for 30-40ish year olds), now leads a congregation in DeQueen, Arkansas.
The "DNA" of our church is actually all over the world....with people who have been "equipped" by working within our church here in Texas (whether it's someone who is actually on staff, or one of the many interns from the local seminaries)...and then being called to go elsewhere....
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/6/2010 11:32:50 AM
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Well our pastor has a degree in church growth. He's grown ours from 200 to 2000. He knows what he's doing and he's going to do it again in another city next to us.
Our church is very well known in our area. People are more apt to come to a satellite they've heard of than to go to a new church they never have. You wouldn't believe the excitement of those that would love to come to our church, but it's just so far from where they live. Now...we are coming to them!
I think when people hear of sharing a senior pastor...they automatically think he's got a big head, or on some power trip or wants "followers" and that's his reasoning for wanting to do a satellite. That's not the case at all.
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/6/2010 1:02:49 PM
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The "DNA" of our church is actually all over the world....with people who have been "equipped" by working within our church here in Texas (whether it's someone who is actually on staff, or one of the many interns from the local seminaries)...and then being called to go elsewhere....
Speaking of which, we're hosting your kids choir next week. At least, that's what it says in the bulletin - I don't know what's involved with "hosting" a choir that rivals the size of our congregation. 
-Dan.
Really? cool...our kids are just a bit too young to be involved in those kinds of things (our oldest will be in a year or two)....
which choir? and where? Is it the Jr. High Choir in New Orleans? Or the High School Choir in Boston?...or some other group?
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/6/2010 2:53:26 PM
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Really? cool...our kids are just a bit too young to be involved in those kinds of things (our oldest will be in a year or two)....
which choir? and where? Is it the Jr. High Choir in New Orleans? Or the High School Choir in Boston?...or some other group?
Boston. I'm not sure if I'll be able to catch any of the performances, though (would've like to have recorded one). There are 2 on Sunday in Plymouth, which is a pretty good hike, and the rest are during the work day.
-Dan.
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RE: Multi-site trend - 7/6/2010 4:21:02 PM
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OH..I know GOD is the one responsible for the growth. And our pastor knows that too. He's mentioned it several times. He says it's about Christ not him and God uses him.
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