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RE: God forgets our sin? - 6/27/2010 8:57:58 AM
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sen10tious
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Thanks Gralan, because yes, 1 Cor 4: 8-13 is an excellent example of why I think Judgment Day will be full of surprises. Look how many contrasts Paul mentions in verse 10: We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are prudent in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are distinguished, but we are without honor. The point being that things that look one way to the world are seen quite differently by God.
There are several parables that are similar, yet different in the details. In the one from Luke 19: 11 ff, everyone began with an equal amount. In Matthew 25: 14 ff they start with different amounts. In both of those, the owner is away. The parable in Matthew 20:1 ff is the one about the vineyard where the landowner is onsite during the day and hires at different hours; all get the same wage. This one ends by teaching that the last shall be first and the first shall be last. In Mathew 21 there are two vineyard parables back-to-back. The first beginning in verse 28 is about sons pleasing the father, and teaches that tax collectors and prostitutes (and we could probably add drug users) will get into the kingdom of God before the Pharisees. The second, beginning in verse 33, is about the slaves, not hirelings, killing the owner's son. That ends with the declaration that kingdom of God will be taken away from the Pharisees and given to a people who will produce.
For the OP's question about God "forgetting" sin and how that affects Judgment Day, we learn mainly that he Pharisees come up short. The one about the owner hiring at different hours shows that grace is equal, everyone got the same "amount of" salvation. Apparently the agreed upon wage is not the same as a reward. Otherwise there would be conflict with 1 Cor 3:8 — but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
Addressing the issues of being co-workers on God's farm would likely require a different thread because the status of co-workers, hirelings, servants, and slaves would have to be established, and that is outside the OP's Judgment Day query.
I don't think the OP should be fussed about repenting for things she cannot remember. She has already repented of what caused the memory loss and if there is something in it that God wants to deal with for the healing, He can remind her at that time. That is the "equal wage," grace covers all sins teaching from the parable. The rewards are separate; that is a differnt parable. People get confused because without grace, there is punishment, and the opposite of reward is punishment. But just because the opposite effects are similar, that does not mean you cannot have equal salvation and gradient reward. (For that matter, there are different levels of punishment too.)
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RE: God forgets our sin? - 7/25/2010 10:36:23 PM
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JohnHale
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ORIGINAL: stedfastgirl
Hebrews 10:17 "And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more."
The Bible says all of us will be judged, believers and non-believers. But as a believer, I confessed my sins and I've tried to be specific (when I can remember) when I've asked for forgiveness. I am a former drug user and don't have memory of some of my life.
I know the Lord has forgiven me and I've given Him my guilt and shame so that I can heal and get well. So, when I face Him on judgement day, am I going to have to recant the sins I've already confessed? Also, what about the sins I don't remember? Can I ask for a general forgiveness of sins that would cover all of them?
I know you have been adequately answered on this. But I just wanted to reassure you that God is concerned about your belief in his Son. Coming to him for the forgiveness of sin (singular) is applicable to all sins (plural).
John 3:16-18 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1 Timothy 4:10 (KJV)
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the [potential] Saviour of all men, specially [actually] of those that believe.
1 John 1:8-10 (KJV)
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
And as you know... sin is a terrible trap that we can slowing creep into or swiftly dive into and cannot get out of with detrimental and life threatening circumstances all around. So there is a spiritual reason not to sin anymore as well as a daily life in this world practicality not to sin...
So I pray you do not bear a needless burden for past things. Just be diligent about not relapsing.
God bless.
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RE: God forgets our sin? - 8/4/2010 1:54:35 PM
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healingtulip
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ORIGINAL: DaveW
Please be careful how you intrepret "forget." We may take that to mean that it is something like amnesia - completely gone from memory. But there is this parable to consider as well:
Mat 18:23 Therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is like a certain king, who wanted to reconcile accounts with his servants.
Mat 18:24 When he had begun to reconcile, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.[3]
Mat 18:25 But because he couldn’t pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, with his wife, his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down and kneeled before him, saying, ‘Lord, have patience with me, and I will repay you all!’
Mat 18:27 The lord of that servant, being moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 “But that servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, who owed him one hundred denarii,[4] and he grabbed him, and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’
Mat 18:29 “So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will repay you!’
Mat 18:30 He would not, but went and cast him into prison, until he should pay back that which was due.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were exceedingly sorry, and came and told to their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord called him in, and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me.
Mat 18:33 Shouldn’t you also have had mercy on your fellow servant, even as I had mercy on you?’
Mat 18:34 His lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, until he should pay all that was due to him.
Mat 18:35 So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your hearts for his misdeeds.”
This parable makes the forgiveness conditional. Past forgiven sins CAN be recalled (unlike amnesia) and reinstated if the conditions are not met. I would submit from this that to "forget" something means to not take it into account, and not erasing it from memory.
the servant will receive chastening from his master until he forgives others. however in terms of sins/forgiveness/salvation. we can never pay our own debt, hence the need for Jesus.
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RE: God forgets our sin? - 8/4/2010 1:56:41 PM
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healingtulip
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ORIGINAL: Judson50
God does not "forget" our sins in the sense He has no recollection. He forgets our sins by His own choosing not to "dig them up". For instance, I am sure you had someone do something "wrong" to you (Perhaps a close friend) and you can absolutely remember the "wrong" however, you choose not to "bring it up again". That is God's perspective of "Forgetting Our Sins".
IF
We confess with our mouth That Jesus is Lord
Believe in our Hearts he was raised from the Dead
If we are saved, he will choose to "Forget" our sins and not count them against us.
could you please state how you came to this conclusion, via the Word or otherwise? i am interested. thank you very much for your time.
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RE: God forgets our sin? - 8/4/2010 9:35:04 PM
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gralan
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ORIGINAL: healingtulip
could you please state how you came to this conclusion, via the Word or otherwise? i am interested. thank you very much for your time.
I'm not judson, but I thought I would add a Scripture that I believe indicates the emphasis of not holding our sins against us. Romans 13.14 -
But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.
If we are dressed in Jesus Christ, God does not see us and our sins. He sees us in the righteousness of Jesus. we are then "dressed in the garments provided and ready for the wedding feast. (Matthew 22.12 - and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?' And the man was speechless.)
-your fellow suffering servant,
gregory alan
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